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I'm so sick of the world. I look at the news and just think America what the hell have you done? 

Putting a gag on science is unconscionable. Dumping the climate action plan. Restarting the Dakota pipeline.  Even thinking he should have any say in women's reproductive rights. His complete disregard for anything but himself. He is an ugly, ugly person inside and out.

I feel sick about it too. Those pipelines pass through some ecologically sensitive areas. A wall between Mexico and the USA will have  a negative impact on the animals that live in the area.
I am sick with fear for the whole planet.

Some of the rivers that he has power over pass through my country on the way to the ocean. He may be a danger to the whole planet, but he is my next door neighbour. Serious air pollution blows north from his country to my country.

I refuse to refer to him by his name and tittle.
No one should have the power to do so much damage to a planet that he shares with billions of people and countless billions of other living creatures.

I know some people really ddn't like him, but I preferred Obama.

Obama at least seemed reasonable. You can't reason with an egomaniac. His choice of inauguration song says it all.

I woke up to the news that he has decided that it is okay to torture people to get information. Later in the day I heard this disturbing news:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...wwSZbkni4Q

It is not a matter of whether we like him or not. I don't like him.  I dislike his views. I am against everything he plans to do. I dislike him personally. I have felt that way about politicians before.  This time it is different. The man is a danger to us all.

Rough as 2016 was, we may well look back at it fondly as the year before the madness started.

I feel awfuly negative 'vibes' from many politicians. It may be a bad idea for me to name them, but just about every one. Two exceptions, in current times....Teresa May, UK prime minister, and Barack Obama. I wasn't even sure of Mr Gorbachev at first but things worked out pretty well with him in many ways.

That's not to say they couldn't or didn't or won't, make mistakes. I am sure they will. But those are the ONLY two so far that I have considered as 'fully human'. With a probable "three" including Gorbachev.
The others....goodness knows where we got them from!

Actually Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is a decent person. I don't agree with everything he says, but he is human. He hit it off with Obama. It is too bad that they couldn't have worked together longer. We have a long shared border. We do need to cooperate about many things. Water and air don't recognize borders. Mistakes made on one side effect life on the other side.

It must be different living on an island. You can actually control things. I don't know much about your Prime minister yet. I am glad to hear that she is good.

We keep working on climate change issues and we get agreements signed, then there are elections and the new leaders don't honour the agreements and we have to start again. Canada's previous Prime Minister, Steven Harper, let the Kyoto Accord  lapse.

It is like we are building something important and every time we make progress, someone comes along and starts taking it apart.
Every year the oceans are in more trouble and the planet warms and politicians act like politicians.

These governments need listen more to the public. They think they know what's best without even hearing us.
Trump is someone who makes me physically ill. Too much power to do too much irreversible damage. Look what he's done in a week. What's he going to do in 4 years. And other leaders just bow to him, while he rubs his filthy little hands together.

It is scary how much damage he has done in a week. Everything he has done will have a negative impact. People who voted for him will come to regret it. Life will not be better.

I agree, he has too much power. Some of the things he has done are going to damage the ecology. I think he will take the concept of ecology and environmental protection back to the dark ages. He will okay pesticides that will wipe out species and probably cause birth defects. He won't care as long as it is profitable. All he cares about is money, in particular, his own money.


Being his neighbour to the north is not a happy position to be in.

(01-28-2017, 10:30 AM)Tobi Wrote: [ -> ]I feel awfuly negative 'vibes' from many politicians. It may be a bad idea for me to name them, but just about every one. Two exceptions, in current times....Teresa May, UK prime minister, and Barack Obama. I wasn't even sure of Mr Gorbachev at first but things worked out pretty well with him in many ways.

Regarding Theresa May, I agree totally. She is an honest and practical woman: a rarity in politics! Barack Obama did a lot of good, but he was quite hostile about Russia, possibly under the guidance of so-called defence "experts" (the same sort of people who assured Bush that Iraq was full of weapons of mass destruction).

I agree with much of what you have all written about Trump, especially concerning the environment. But his desire to strengthen ties with the UK is good. He is also currently resisting the pressure of so-called defence experts to make relations with Russia even colder than they are now - with the risk of bringing nuclear war closer. Trump wants to "defreeze" relations with Russia - and that can't be a bad thing.

However, esteemed Tobi, I cannot agree about Gorbachov. This man is often regarded well in the West, but not in Russia itself. He did reform Communism, but he was still part of the system.

Tobi, my wife lived in Belarus as a young woman, during the the time of Chernobyl. Gorbachov chose to keep the disaster secret from his people for quite a while after it happened. We knew about it sooner in the West! People danced in the streets of Kiev after the accident, after the Communist mayor kept it quiet for fear of panic. Even weddings went ahead:
"Meanwhile in Kiev, citizens went ahead with their May Day parade, five days after the accident, completely unaware of the radiation bearing down on them." - from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4918742.stm
and
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-23/n...l-disaster

Highly radioactive clouds were deliberately made to rain over Belarus in order to disperse them before they reached Russian territory. See http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-23/n...l-disaster 

One could argue that he sacrificed lives in Belarus in order to save more lives in Russia, an utilitarian argument which I cannot accept, but even if we accept that justification....he chose to keep the disaster secret from the public until western publicity filtered through and forced him to reveal what had happened. He allowed millions to be exposed to radiation when they could have been warned and could have stayed indoors. That is a terrible crime. Childhood cancers remained very high in Belarus for decades after Chernobyl - something which could have been avoided if Gorbachov had been open sooner about what had happened.

Gorbachov was in later years saved from the ultra-Communist coup plotters (who had him arrested) by the actions of Yeltsin, but now Gorbachov even has the dishonesty to say that he was betrayed! See http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38294498 He wouldn't even be alive today if it weren't for those who rose against Communists. He would have been shot by the hardliners.

Tobi, I always value everything you write. But I cannot agree with Gorbachov being on the list of "goodie politicians". There aren't too many of those. Politics and ethics are uneasy partners, mainly because deception is an accepted part of politics, if a person wants to survive on its "greasy pole".

Sorry about interrupting the discussion of Trump....